Unusual 'Ships

[Forgotten Angel]

I hope I don't get pulverized for this thread. :tongue:

We all know there are a Erik/Christine and Raoul/Christine fans all over the place. However, there are a selected few of us who read between the lines and find that there are certain... special relationships that most never consider.

I'm not talking about PhantomSlash, like Christine/Meg or Erik/Raoul or anything like that. I don't think anyone doubts the characters' sexualities. :rolleyes: I mean, what if Christine had never come to l'Opera Populaire? If you ask me, it is entirely possible that Erik could have fallen for Meg. Or, going back a generation, who IS Meg's father, anyway? Why does Mme Giry protect Erik so fiercely? I sense a secret love affair. :tongue:

I'm one of those strange people who actually happens to be a fan of both Erik/Mme Giry and Erik/Meg, depending on the situation in each case. Anybody else a fan of an odd ship or two? :)

[The Khanum]

I won't pulverize you, Shadow...it's actually a very interesting topic. Thanks for posting!

I'm actually not opposed to E/Mme Giry. It's not entirely improbably, especially in the movie...they made it quite clear that Erik and Mme. Giry were around the same age, and that she was all she had in the world. The identity of Meg's father is never revealed, and if you notice, Mme Giry mentions that she is "all he has ever known of the world and its cruelties." Plus, she was a ballet dancer training in the Opera House, and then she became the ballet mistress...would she have gone of and found a lover/husband in those years in between?

My guess is no...she might have already had one deep within the Opera itself.

Of course, I will always be an E/C shipper at heart...whatever (might have) went on between Erik and Mme Giry would have long since died before Erik fell in love with Christine.

But as for E/M? Nope, never liked that at all. I don't know why...it just never floated my boat.

[wolfwynd]

No, I don't see the E/M relationship either - it just doesn't make sense... I mean, he shows no feelings towards her at all. As for E/Mdm Giry, I could see that happening - after all she was the only person that he had had contact with for many years

[Masked Shadows]

I'm E/M too. I'm not really E/MdG but ya know, it could be. I think Meg's father was probally just a stagehand or a patron. *shrugs* just what I think.

[Cécile Annelure]

I don't support Erik/Meg in the least. If you've read the book, you realize the Meg is really young, maybe 10 or 12 years old? And Erik would've gone for Meg if he wanted to. It's not like he was shy ^.^

Hmm.. Erik/Madame Giry? That's a possibility. They might have had some physical contact *cough* but I don't think it became a long-lasting relationship or that Meg was his daughter. I really do not support that theory.

[IamErik771]

I agree that Erik/Mme. Giry could have worked, at least in the film and perhaps the stage musical as well. They must have broken up or something, though, because otherwise Erik wouldn't have become so attached to Christine.

I also support a relationship between Nadir (the Persian) and the Khanum of Persia. :D

[Masked Shadows]

What about Nadir/Meg? I've seen a couple fanfiction stories with that relationship in it. Any Thoughts?

[The Khanum]

Originally posted by IamErik771
I also support a relationship between Nadir (the Persian) and the Khanum of Persia. :D

AH! Nadir is way too good for the Khanum...but I want to read a phanphic where a little something goes on between Erik and the Khanum, just for laughs... ;)

Originally posted by LiTTleLoTTe1391
What about Nadir/Meg? I've seen a couple fanfiction stories with that relationship in it. Any Thoughts?

There's a bunch of planning on a phic like that on pf.net...sounds interesting. I would read it.

[IamErik771]

Originally posted by Erik is my Hero
AH! Nadir is way too good for the Khanum...but I want to read a phanphic where a little something goes on between Erik and the Khanum, just for laughs... ;)

Strangely enough, I do remember seeing one or two E/K fics. Sadly, they both ended with the Khanum betraying Erik in the end. :(

[Mouette]

I am rather against MdmG/Erik, myself . . . if you look at the way Erik loves (rather all-consumingly), I can't really see him moving on between relationships like that; he strikes me as a one-and-only kind of guy. And besides, Madame Giry's name IS Madame Giry, which means that she was married at one point, I think. Even in the movie, I still see their relationship as that of parent/child--she looked about sixteen and he looked about twelve in the flashback. Maybe she's just a mothering kind of person . . .

As for the Khanum--she always brought out the worst in Erik; I was really rather unfond of her for that.

Nadir and Meg? Now that's an interesting twist . . . esp since isn't Nadir about 10 years older than Erik in Kay's? I could see it working, though, possibly.

[Countess Cain]

I support Richard/Moncharmin-Andre/Firmin! (Going by the version. I always get confused between the names they're called in both. XD)

Oh, wait...

I have to admit I don't support many 'different' ships. I don't support anyone else with Erik besides Christine... Unless it was completely one-sided. (That he didn't care about, that is.)

[Phantomgirl05]

I'm all for slash, so I love shipping Raoul/Erik and Christine/Meg. My ultimate pairing is Christine/Raoul, but Raoul/Erik rocks my socks off! They would be so hot together. When I was watching them in the movie during the sword fight scene, I actually yelled, "Oh just kiss and make up already!" lol

[Forgotten Angel]

Kiss and make up... hehe. I'm a major slasher in most cases, but not usually with Phantom. However, now that you mention it, that duel was pretty hot. ;) I would've loved to see them kiss and make up. :D

[Why So Silent]

I've never been much for slash, I've read a bit and can safely say that its not exactly what blows my skirt up. Especially Raoul/Erik. I mean, they're mortal enemies for Pete's sake!!! Its like a Luke Skywalker/Darth Sideous fic! Its like Jack Sparrow snogging Cap'n Barbossa!!! *shakes head* Nope, can't see it happening EVER.

Now, I've read Erik/Meg phics. I never really had any problem with them, but I hadn't ever considered a MdmGiry/Erik phic. I guess it makes sense in the movie or musical. But I think I remember in either Kay or Leroux that it said she was a widow, so I don't think that'd work in that context.

Also, Nadir/Khanum???? No flippin' way, Nadir so hates the Khanum, well, me thinks anyways. But I have considered Erik/Khanum, that'd be interesting. Actually, I think it hinted at something in Kay about that relationship, that she'd "invite him over" if it wasn't because of his face or because of the scandal...*shrug* I don't remember at the moment...must read the sacred book of Kay again. Anywho, this is an interesting thread, I must follow it ^_^
Toodles
Why So Silent

[Wishing]

I think that Elphaba from "Wicked" would be perfect for Erik. They are both misunderstood, both have problems with their appearance, they're both really smart, and they both want to be loved and accepted.

But, to stay with POTO, I think that Christine made the right choice with picking Raoul. Christine and Erik could not really have a lasting relationship anyway. It's sad, but true.

[Hestia Blackhorn]

I read an Elphaba/Erik pairing on Fanfiction.net once, but I haven't read Wicked so it made no sense to me.

Erik/MdG I can't see happening, even in the ALW version. There was actually a line where Erik confessed to never knowing "the pleasures of the flesh." Given the chance, Erik/Meg might work in ALW, because she at idolized him. She did in the books, too, but was too young.

I say shoot a modern day goth girl back in time for him. Perfect match. :tongue:

[The Khanum]

Originally posted by Why So Silent
Also, Nadir/Khanum???? No flippin' way, Nadir so hates the Khanum, well, me thinks anyways. But I have considered Erik/Khanum, that'd be interesting. Actually, I think it hinted at something in Kay about that relationship, that she'd "invite him over" if it wasn't because of his face or because of the scandal...*shrug* I don't remember at the moment...must read the sacred book of Kay again.

I think what Kay meant was that the khanum wasn't afraid of Erik's face, that she was actually attracted to it, but she was afraid of the "consequences" of "inviting him to her bed."

If anybody has a link to an E/K story, please post!

[Phantomgirl05]

Originally posted by Why So Silent
I've never been much for slash, I've read a bit and can safely say that its not exactly what blows my skirt up. Especially Raoul/Erik. I mean, they're mortal enemies for Pete's sake!!! Its like a Luke Skywalker/Darth Sideous fic! Its like Jack Sparrow snogging Cap'n Barbossa!!! *shakes head* Nope, can't see it happening EVER.

Now, I've read Erik/Meg phics. I never really had any problem with them, but I hadn't ever considered a MdmGiry/Erik phic. I guess it makes sense in the movie or musical. But I think I remember in either Kay or Leroux that it said she was a widow, so I don't think that'd work in that context.

Also, Nadir/Khanum???? No flippin' way, Nadir so hates the Khanum, well, me thinks anyways. But I have considered Erik/Khanum, that'd be interesting. Actually, I think it hinted at something in Kay about that relationship, that she'd "invite him over" if it wasn't because of his face or because of the scandal...*shrug* I don't remember at the moment...must read the sacred book of Kay again. Anywho, this is an interesting thread, I must follow it ^_^
Toodles
Why So Silent
But that's why Raoul/Erik would be so awesome together...all that tension, chemistry. Damn! That's why characters like Harry/Draco from Harry Potter and other enemies would be hot together. If you think Christine/Erik have passion and chemistry...just look at Raoul and Erik! lol

[Why So Silent]

That's another example I considered posting, phantomgirl05, Harry/Draco. Its like Harry/Voldemort, Harry/Snape, Sirius/Snape...::shudders at the thought:: I still don't think so. I mean, I can't even imagine it (not that I'd want to) but they always end up like: They have at each other, then Erik punjabs Raoul. I mean, come on! ::shakes head:: I guess I just can't go for that.
Toodles
Why So Silent

PS I agree with KT, if anybody has a link to an Erik/Khanum phic, I would be very greatful. That'd just be awesome ^_^

[The Khanum]

::Searches for an E/K phic::

Here, phiccy, phiccy, phiccy... ::Whistles::

[YoungGiry]

I am quite obssesed with Erik/Madame Giry. Though I probably think it was one-sided, I think it is very likely, and have a bit of an obssesion. I'm going to start a fan fic when I'm far enough in "The Other Angel" to be able to start work on it.

[The Khanum]

Sounds pretty nifty, Rachel...post the link when you've started. :D

On another note...GUESS WHO FOUND AN E/K PHIC...

...I did!

I put an add out on pfn, and I got a response from Banana, an online friend...she gave me the link to this:

Blood Red Requiem (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2379804/1/)

I haven't read it yet; I came here to post the link first. But I got through the author's note, and it's supposed to be very dark, violent, and obviously, sexual.

...WOOT! :D Talk about my kind of phic!

[Night feather]

OOOOh that's by provocatur, one of my favorite writers, it's really good, but also very violent and Kindda gross, but she know how to write smut, I'm telling you. And yeah I've never seen an Erik Khanum story anywhere except this one.. although the pairing woudl be quite obvious.

Hehe I wrote a smutty Gerry fic, but there is nothign unusual about it, it's just pure smut.

[The Khanum]

::Cough postthelink,NightFeather! cough::

Smut is always a good thing. Always. ...Well, unless it's stupid smut. Then it's a bad thing. But I'm sure your smut isn't bad smut, Night Feather...I'm quite sure it's good smut.

Smut's a fun word to say. Smut, smut, smut.

[Night feather]

Well I'm happy you think it will be good. Wel the others who have read it was very happy about it. And if I shall be really unmodest... I think it's quite good myself, but anyways here's the link, let me know what you think eh? And you know, it is a fun word to say.... ::chants:: smut smut smut

http://aria.phoenixfyre.net/viewstory.php?sid=1527

[XxBlueEyedAngelxX]

Actually I'm huge Erik/Meg suported....I think the only reason Erik didn't go for Meg is out of sheer respect to Mme Giry....Litte Lotte..I believe there actually was a Elphaba/Erik phic posted once and it was great!

[YoungGiry]

I think I once saw I fic in which Erik fell in love with the Witch from Into the Woods...but I never found it again...

And I promise, once I start I'll post a link...but don't hold your breath, I have alot to work on right now...

[Why So Silent]

::stares at the post made earlier by KT:: I wuv you! ::glomps:: Thankies! ::runs off to read smutty E/K phic::

::once she is done with that, she scrolls down to find Nightfeather has posted another smutty phic! One she wrote herself, woohoo!:: Thankies! I wuv you too! ::glomps and runs off to read::

::adds a tune to the chant:: Smut smutty smutness....smuuuuuuuty smutness! Hey that is fun!
Tea and Crumpets
Why So Silent

[Claidissa]

Originally posted by Little Lotte
I think that Elphaba from "Wicked" would be perfect for Erik. They are both misunderstood, both have problems with their appearance, they're both really smart, and they both want to be loved and accepted.


Yes, but they'd just be whining at each other all day. Opposites attract, you know! *runs away with her hand at the level of her eyes*

Aaanyway. I'm not fond of Meg/Erik, really...though it is rather cute. Oh, and I usually really like slash, UNLESS I'm hopelessly devoted (*resists breaking into song*) to a heterosexual couple in the canon. Which...I am. So Erik/Raoul is not so good.

[Night feather]

:::Laughs loudly::: hahhaha I love you to Kat, especially if you'll tell me what you thought about my smutty fic.... ::grins smugly:: I can say I enjoyed writing it... :D sorry I have a sickmind...

[Erik]

Originally posted by Little Lotte
I think that Christine made the right choice with picking Raoul. Christine and Erik could not really have a lasting relationship anyway. It's sad, but true.

I disagree. I could totally see Christine with Erik, so long as their love stayed pure. And i think it could have. I'm not saying that the wouldn't have problems, but they could've done it!

(P.S. this is post #25! I get to request a dorm now, yay!)

[The_Persian]

I am a fan of M/D (meg/dwarf)
I think that they would be an absoulutly hilarious couple.

[TeeJay]

Haha...just picturing that in my mind made me laugh out loud!

:mask: TeeJay:mask:
www.eriks-phans.tk

[Red_Rose_of_Tears]

Hmm...

I'm a big E/C person, so there's nothing unusal there. But Nadir/Meg? Yesh! I think it' very cute, them as a couple. I've read a few phics with *implied* N/M, but I wish someone would write a phic just about them! *Whines* haha kudos

[AngelicRose]

I like to ship Raoul/Meg. I think they're cute together. I also tried to write a phic with Erik/Md. Giry but that didn't work out too well.

I've read a few Erik/Khanum stories. They were pretty interesting.

[AAW0487]

Hm..I really just see Erik with Christine, but that's just me. However I can sort of see Madame Giry and Erik having a relationship in the earlier years, but I don't think it lasted very long. Because Erik was so moved when Christine kissed him that he started crying...so i'm thinking Madame Giry never kissed him. And if she couldn't even kiss him than I doubt they could have Meg. And I suppose if Christine had never come that Meg and Erik could have had a relationship, but then again he was moved by Christine's voice. And if we're just talking about the book and not the musical...Meg was a dancer she didn't sing. But I suppose he could have been moved by her dancing. But then how would the Angel of Music ever been known?
:confused:

[MmeGiry]

I am a Huge Erik/Mme. Giry fan, They just seem so close. I think there was a romance there at some point. I have never read a Meg/Erik fic, but will read on eventually and possibly jump ships. Highly doubtful though.

[Angel's Muse]

I think Nadir/Christine (although maybe not entirely realistic, but who cares?) would be fun to write and develop. I've seen it done before, and it's usually done pretty well.

And also, Phillipe/Sorelli and Piangi/Carlotta are worth looking into. Ships don't always have to involve the three principle characters.

Oh, and I saw an Erik/Carlotta once. And as to Erik/Khanum, they would be an interesting couple, but not a romantic one. I read this very adult story where the Khanum...yeah. Did something not nice.

[Isabella Delancy]

I agree with AngelicRose, above, that Raoul/Meg would've made a great couple if he wasn't so fixated with Christine. That's how I see him...not in love with her, but more fixated by her...in lust with her - very different. Had Raoul gotten to know Meg more, I'm convinced they would've been such an adorable pairing. *cough*andletErikandChristinebetogether*cough*

[Night feather]

*Dances around* Philippe and Sorelli were lovers in my fanfic, it was a great pairing to write.

and the Erik/Khanum pairing is absolutely wonderful, there is so much opertunities about exploring the dark aspects of the human psyche.

But the Meg/Raoul pairing has just never appealed to me, it just seems to much like 'second choice'

[Angel's Muse]

One idea on a different board was Buquet/Christine...I don't think it's ever been attempted, and I don't think I really want to be the first to attempt it...

[masquerading rose]

I'm curious about that. I'll try writing it. (I DO NOT SHIP IT)

I do, however, ship Erik/Meg. I love that ship.

[Angel's Muse]

I used to loathe that shipping with a passion, mostly because I wasn't all that keen on Meg. However, since I started playing Meg on another RPing board (we had a Christine and Erik who were getting married, but then Christine went in mourning because the guy playing Erik never bothered to come back...) my heart has softened to her little blonde ballet-rat-ish ways. So I don't ship it, and I don't think I ever will, but I don't mind it that much any more.

[masquerading rose]

Oh. Its very popular actually. You say Erik?meg to any phantom phanfiction writier of Fanfiction.net and they go "OMG I luvs this ship!" Sorry, that was an ACTUALL quote. There are more E/M shippers than E/C shippers. I love the Erik/Meg ship. It just seems to fit.

[Mrs Nadir Khan]

There are not more E/M than E/C shippers. However, there are more E/M than R/M shippers...

I am actually attempting a Nadir/Meg phic, for those of you who stated interest in it. Granted, the ship only set sail because Erik had married Meg (she loved him; he felt that it was the next best thing to her becoming Empress) and died shortly after Meg discovers she is pregnant. She goes to the only living man Erik ever trusted, Nadir Khan. Out of pity and sympathy, the Persian takes Meg in, but as time wears on, sparks fly.

It's a tad far-fetched, but I'm hoping to make it work. On a site I RP on, I RP as Meg and Nadir is (obviously) my favorite character. So if I can't really have him, I'll try putting him with Meg...


Am I doing too much self advertising?

[Sweet Siren]

I love the E/M pairing, but won't say no to a really good E/C story. It has to be dark, morbid, and un-fluffy though. Otherwise, I get so mad.

I also have a erm... small fascination... with Nadir/Erik because, IMO, it's the only male slash ship that works without too many complications. *shrugs* That's my two cents.

[Ange de Musique]

I myself am a die hard E/C shipper. :D Buuut, I am not opposed to normal pairings such as E/M, E/Mme. Giry, Raoul/Meg, or Nadir/Mme. Giry. (Ooo, I just thought of that! What a cool pairing that would make! :D) I have to say though that the idea of Erik going for any male doesn't particularly appeal to me. Sorry, just my opinion. ;)

Laura

[The Khanum]

Laura, try to refrain from calling slash shipping "disgusting." Slash is just as legitimate as straight shipping, and that adjective in particular has the propensity to offend a lot of people.

Now back to your regularly scheduled posting. :)

[Mrs Nadir Khan]

I tried Nadir/Madame Giry, but it involves the meshing of too many facets of canon for me to do it without getting confused. Granted, there's mentioning of an unrequited love between them in my future fic, Empress... but, that's A LOT of meshed up plot as is.

I really don't think Erik going with a guy is disgusting, per sei. I mean, honestly, Erik just strives to be loved by someone. Anyone. I think that the possibility is always there, but the most likely canidate is Nadir, simply because of their strong friendship that seems to toe the line of love, friendship, and utter loathing. It makes for such interesting fiction.

Although, I will always be a staunch E/M shipper. I don't know... it just seems to work well and writing it, for me, comes really naturally. I don't know why. It just... does. Unfortunately, the population of E/M shippers on FF.net seems to have dwindled in favor of E/C and R/C and the occasional R/E or M/C writer. There just seem to be more 2004 "purists" of late, which also might contribute to the redistributing of ships.

[Madame le Courayer]

Believe it or not there is a phanfic with an Erik/Mmd.Giry ship. Actually in the 2004 movie that wouldn't be so unbelievable since she wasn't much older than him and they did share a....bond of sorts.
But the Giry in the Leroux book......:p too, too funny.
I wish I could remember the name of that book....

[The Countess]

Well, as I said in the Meg discussion, I'm really not fond of the pairing at all. It seems so random. I also don't like E/OW either. I think that Erik loved Christine and only Christine. Mary Sues are the WORST! :X I'm so negative. Negative, negative, negative.

I like other characters being paired together though, but I like to keep E, C, and R out of them. Pairs like Meg/Nadir, Buqet/Madame Giry, all that are so much fun to read!

[Ange de Musique]

Ooops, I'm sorry KT Mae and others! :( I don't mean to offend...*runs off to edit post* Forgive me? :( That particular pairing just doesn't appeal to me, that's all.

Laura

[Mrs Nadir Khan]

I'll admit that Meg/Erik only works really well under the right author and in the right facet of "canon". In fact, I'm usually the first person you'll hear say that, simply because it's true. When writing E/M you have to be exceedingly careful not to make Meg into a Mary-Sue, as little is known about her character and much can be fabricated. You also have to be careful not to make her another Christine. I don't believe that I can convert you, Viktoria, but if ever you would like to see some quality E/M, I'm sure I can direct you to some that I consider wonderful.

As to Nadir/Meg... I'm writing one. I know, I know, you don't like E/M but the premise of my fic is based on the idea that Erik and Meg were married and Nadir comes in to take care of Meg-- Erik's widow. The N/M relationship works... if one has a proper background. For this particular phic, an earlier, never shown, E/M premise was needed. But I've also had theories that dusky skinned, raven haired Meg could very easily resemble Nadir's dead wife-- which would also make an interesting premise.

[The Countess]

That sounds very interesting! The story within the story within the story. Make sure to post it in the fanfic section.

I'm not much of a writer, but I'm going to try, try I tell you, to see how MG/JB works out. They just seemed to have this fire between them. Love-hate relationship you know.

[angelgirl]

I will always be a die-hard Erik/Christine fan, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of either Erik/Mde.Giry or Raoul/Meg. Those seem interesting, especially R/M, 'cause then Christine could have Erik all to herself!
A.G.

[MlleMusique]

I think the only Erik/MmeG I could handle is childhood encounters. I'm going off the film here (I've read the book, twice, but it's a difficult read, and I usually focus more on Christine), but after Young Mme Giry rescues Erik and takes him to the Opera House...she would be the only person he'd know kindness from...if anything romantic occurred between them I think it'd have been brief and probably pretty unsubstantiated.

What about Carlotta/Piangi? Or is that assumed in ALW's show?

I've always been a believer in romances within the ballet corps, and the chorus, with either gender.

[Kojinka]

I'm not very fond of slash, but I see some compatibility in Erik/Nadir. When you consider Erik's Opera Ghost behavior and mental instability that Nadir puts up with, I could see that pairing happening.

I still love the Erik/Christine/Raoul love triangle, though. Can't she be in love with both men?

[Mrs Nadir Khan]

Oh. My. God. I am IN LOVE with Erik/Nadir as a ship. I'm not even calling it a guilty pleasure anymore... It's my OTP. I read it, I'm trying to write it... It's the smallest ship I can find on FF.net, and oddly one of the most plausible and fascinating ones. I can send links to anyone who is interested and encourage those who aren't not to knock it before they try it. Erik's characterization in E/N is often more poignant and reallistic than anything I've read in the E/C category. Granted, E/C phics are often written by comparatively young and naiive writers and the really good stuff is hard to find. E/N is almost all good (except MPreg. That's never appealed to me) and ridiculously difficult to find.

[Hidden Away]

Erik and young Madame Giry would be okay, but then of course we know it didn't work out. Erik and Meg stories are just interesting because it either the writer says within the realms of the story or they just make stuff up.

Erik and Other woman...well that depends. I can say that my story was for my cousin--because I love her to death ad because she wouldn't shut up when she asked--and it's more of her happy pill now opposed to a story about her.

Erik and Raoul or Christine and Meg shippings are not what the characters would do. I have no problem with homosexuality, it's just that it doesn't seem that Erik and Raoul be together at all more or less Christine and Meg. Yu know what I mean?

Raoul and Meg along with Chrsitine and Erik stories around sometimes a great idea with pairings, but just a terrible story to witness.

[Mrs Nadir Khan]

Hate to be contrary, but I've seen some pretty decent Christine/Meg stuff. It's mostly one-sided and unrequited, but, still... Very, very good. Erik/Raoul is a bit less palatable, IMO, because I'm not one for hooking up mortal enemies. Still, under the right author Raoul/Erik can be enjoyable enough.

I swear, I am the only slash shipper 'round here....

[The Countess]

Oh, that's alright darling. I really don't mind slash as much as I did anymore (after all, it's just having fun with the story, it's not like it's real or anything) it just really isn't my cup of tea. But as long as it's well written, I'll read it. It's just that it's not the first thing I look for in a phic.

[Hidden Away]

True it does depend on the writer. But just the steriotype ideas that some people have. I think that Christine and Meg came up because of the 2004 movie...same with Erik and Raoul. It just seems like that to me and it doesn't seem far to the true characters.

My opinions :(

[The Countess]

The whole R/M (Raoul and Meg) thing has really peeved me recently. Although I ship E/C and defend Raoul, I really don't like it when Raoul finds love other than Christine. If it irks me when Erik moves on, it especailly irks me if Raoul does. I mean, he's supposed to be the devoted, sane one, right? I don't know, I just don't care for shippings other than the originals. Why's that I wonder...