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IamErik771
06-18-2008, 01:21 PM
I was listening to songs from Dracula: The Musical by Frank Wildhorn today, and it occurred to me that there are quite a few similarities between our favourite tale of the Opera Ghost and the story of the world's most famous vampire. Here are a few I came up with; feel free to add more! :D

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- Both were written around the turn of the century in Europe by authors who claimed the idea first came to them as a nightmare.

- In both, the title character is a tall, pale man who sleeps in a coffin, has a fondness for candles and old buildings, tends to wear black formal attire, avoids going out in the daylight, and is described as having a seductive voice.

- Both have been made into numerous films, including versions by Universal Studios and Hammer Films.

- The first film versions for both that are still available were silent versions made in the 1920s, and each featured a very grotesque-looking main character and a rather altered ending.

- The first (albeit unauthorized) film version of Dracula was the silent German film Nosferatu, of which almost all copies were destroyed. Rumour has it there was also a silent POTO film made in Germany that predates the Lon Chaney version, but no copies are known to exist.

- Both stories were inspired by real locations, and some of the characters were based on the names or backgrounds of real people.

- In both, the main male "hero" was underwritten and is often disliked by fans of the story or adaptations.

- Both have a unique, strong-for-the-time-period female protagonist with a mysterious connection to the title character.

- Both original novels feature a mysterious "expert/mentor" character who came from a foreign country and has a lot of information about the title character. (Dracula has Professor Abraham Van Helsing from Amsterdam, while POTO features the Persian.)

- Both have been heavily romanticized in film, stage, and written adaptations.

- There have been at least 5 different stage musical versions of each, written between 1980 and now.

- In both cases, the most well-known stage musical version was written by a prolific theatre composer who switches lyricists a lot and has a large fanbase, but is often criticized for not writing very complex or unique scores. (ALW for POTO, Frank Wildhorn for Dracula: The Musical.)

- Gerard Butler has played both characters onscreen; he starred in Dracula 2000 and the film version of ALW's musical.

Pyromaniac
06-18-2008, 03:41 PM
I think I have a couple as well,

Both Dracula and the Phantom's female protagonists have fiancées. (Rhaoul and Jonathon)

Both have dark living spaces

That’s all I can think of for the moment.

The Countess
06-18-2008, 10:28 PM
I'm not suprised that they are so alike. Though Dracula would be considered more of a gothic romantic figure (when he's not bitting people) than so much of a mishappen monster like the likes of Erik.

I've never seen an sort of adaptation of Dracula, so I cannot really add to the list. But both do wear capes...right? :D

tiannangel
06-19-2008, 09:35 AM
Yep, both Count Dracula and Erik have a fetish for capes :D:D
jk...

Note how both, throughout the years and various adaptations, have grown even more sexier and hotter?

For example: The original Dracula was a really scary horrifing monster who bites people and drinks their blood. Now, our modern view of Dracula is this super hot Count, with a super sexy voice, who is dark and mysterious, and females all swoon over him.

Erik, originally, is described as the "Walking Corpse'. After various adaptations, his deformity/appearance grows less and less grotesque, until we reached the 2004 film version with Gerry Butler.

See how in both, their physical appearance and their whole image that's given out to everybody has changed? Don't you find that highly ironic???

EphemeralSanity
06-22-2008, 08:17 PM
My favorite version of the Dracula theatre branch is the Bernard Taylor musical Nosferatu with Peter Karrie and Claire Moore, both who have played in ALW's POTO :)

There are a lot of strong similarities with POTO and Hunchback of Notre Dame as well.

And both Erik and Dracula were written as grotesque or frightening characters who use their voices (or, in Dracula's case, supernatural powers) to entice young, innocent women. I dislike how both characters have evolved into "sex symbols," especially after the ALW POTO film... Gah.

IamErik771
06-23-2008, 12:28 AM
My favorite version of the Dracula theatre branch is the Bernard Taylor musical Nosferatu with Peter Karrie and Claire Moore, both who have played in ALW's POTO :)

Ooh, I love what I've heard from that version as well! I've only heard 4 songs, but will soon be getting the full album. And I do worship Peter . . . :D

Another similarity I thought of: Kevin Gray and Dodie Pettit, who performed in POTO in the 1990s (he as Raoul and Erik; she as Meg and Christine) have written a Dracula musical of their own.

And yes, there definitely are many similarities between POTO and Hunchback, as well.

EphemeralSanity
06-23-2008, 01:05 AM
Ooh, I love what I've heard from that version as well! I've only heard 4 songs, but will soon be getting the full album. And I do worship Peter . . . :D

Another similarity I thought of: Kevin Gray and Dodie Pettit, who performed in POTO in the 1990s (he as Raoul and Erik; she as Meg and Christine) have written a Dracula musical of their own.

And yes, there definitely are many similarities between POTO and Hunchback, as well.


I have seen a video of Kevin and Dodie in the roles of The Phantom and Christine... Did they ever play these roles or was the label wrong?

And I would love to hear the musical they wrote, that sounds interesting!

IamErik771
06-23-2008, 10:45 PM
I have seen a video of Kevin and Dodie in the roles of The Phantom and Christine... Did they ever play these roles or was the label wrong?

Yep, they did play those roles. I believe that at the time, Kevin was the youngest actor to play Erik; I think he was in his late 20s. These days, though, there have been even younger ones in various productions.

That's pretty cool that you saw a video of both of them! I've heard audio clips, but the only video of Kevin that I found was of him performing with (the amazing) Teri Bibb as Christine.

EAAB
07-04-2008, 11:03 PM
I can see the similarities mentioned above, but what is popping into my head are the differences of locale. ... Dracula broods around Gothic Medieval abbeys, while Erik lives in the Paris Opera, the Rennaisance neo-classical architecture inspired by the ancient Romans and Greeks.
It reminds me of Gothe's Faust, Part One being influenced by the Medieval Age, while Part Two is set in a Classical milleu.
I don't know why the differences are striking me when we were asked what similarities we saw! LOL! Just a born rebel I guess!:D

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- Both were written around the turn of the century in Europe by authors who claimed the idea first came to them as a nightmare.-

Sorry for going slightly off-topic....
Wow, I am curious...where did you hear that Leroux was inspired by a nightmare? Anything I ever read said the very mysterious labrythine nature of the Opera House suggested the story.
Talking about ghosty literature, isn't it amazing the book Frankenstein was also inspired by a nightmare? Hmmm...

EAAB

angelgirl
07-22-2008, 01:54 PM
I can't think of any similarites between them that hasn't already been discussed, but I can sure think of two major differences!
1. Erik wears a mask and has a deformity and Drac doesn't.
2. Drac drinks blood and Erik doesn't.
There's my 2 cents. I really need to see Dracula 2000. I haven't seen any other Gerry Butler films other than POTO and 300.
A.G.