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Old 03-16-2009 at 12:49 AM
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This is something im a bit confused about-why did christine unmask Erik (phantom) in front of the audience when she had already tried to do so before ( cant remember the name of the scene) and more importantly, if she was kind enough to kiss him in the end-why did she unmask him before the audience? Was she prompted by Rauol?
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Old 04-23-2009 at 09:11 AM
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Well...in my opinion, I don't think she did it to humiliate him by the way she looked at him after it. I think she just wanted him to be himself and stop hiding from the world.


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Old 04-23-2009 at 12:01 PM
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Now that actually is a good question. See in the musical stage version, Christine unmasks him in front of the audience to show who is really is.

But in the movie, the audience seem to already know that the man playing Don Juan is someone else, and Christine has that sad expression on her face when he sings All I ask of You to her.
For the movie Christine, I'm still not quite sure exactly why she unmasked him. It's quite a big debate going over in my head on that....

The musical, Christine doesn't realise that the Phantom had taken Piangi's role until they sing the last verse together, and then she's trying to get away from his grasp.

Movie Christine knew who it was almost immediately.
Does that make any sense? I dunno...



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Old 04-27-2009 at 08:55 AM
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Yeah, the first time I watched the '04 version, I had no idea why she took his mask off at the end of PONR. I still don't really know. It's much clearer in the stage version, depending on who plays Christine, but I'll save that for the stage show thread.

My best answer as to why she did it would be something corny and cliché: she wanted to try to show him that his face doesn't scare her, she didn't want him to hide anymore... These, I think are still weak reasons, but those are my cheap two cents.


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Old 04-27-2009 at 12:54 PM
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No one's two cents are cheap, m'dear ;)

Well, to be honest, it really doesn't make sense in the movie to me either. I guess it's because in the book, she removes his mask much eariler because she wanted to see who her angel of music really was. At this time, the reader gets told what he looks like. However, since the real unmasking in the musical is during his opera where it would have been in STYDI. They flip-flopped the unmasking because they wanted suspense from the audience. But, Christine had already seen his face, so why was there need for another unmasking?

My opinion is that really, in the movie mind you, it was just put in there so the people watching the movie could see Erik's face. How this unmasking is different or more important than the first is beyond me, but in the movie, I do find the second quite pointless.

You may argue and say something like "She wanted to love him and his face" but she already tried to do that! Here Erik is, proposing to her, she's smiling, and she does what? Rips off the poor man's mask. Not out of anger, spite, or fear, but out of love? Because that's the only real emotion that Emmy's Christine was displaying. Then suddenly she's horror-struck by his face (AGAIN).

In the stage version, well that's a different case. Sometimes the Christine is trying to protect herself or she's frightened and acts in a similar way that Erik does with a certain chandelier. But the movie, I'm at a blank with her real motive.

The more I talk about it, the more confused I get. I really think that it's more Emmy Rossum's portyal to blame for our question...
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Well, it really does depend on which version you saw. Just as we all know the stage version doesn't happen the exact way every time. Perhaps the actress's expressions are set, but perhaps she might have changed the timing to her expressing, even this small detail could alter the way people thing of their purpose. Since we can watch the video over and over and over until we turn blue we can actually study why and what for their purpose was.

We really can't determine, but you could try to understand the actress's objectives in their strategy of taking on this character. Everyone does the part differently, so you really can't say what's right and wrong.

Emmy, I think, did great in the part at such an age, I know I couldn't even if i were 28 and she was 16 when she took this role.

I personally think that Emmy wanted her action to be read as to show that Christine had compassion for Erik and perhaps she could show that by showing that she didn't care about what he looked like. I think that she was scare because Erik had reacted so harshly, not necessary scared by how he looked.
I'm not sure about you, this is only my opinion...

What do you think ???


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She might have unmasked him for revenge.
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Old 11-29-2014 at 10:25 PM
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It is a complicated question, so to say...

I personally don't think she did it to show him that she didn't care about how he looked like. I mean, she unmasked him in front of everyone, humiliating him probably more than he ever had been in his entire life, in the middle of his master-piece opera... I actually find such a behavior extremely heartless, and if not, just stupid-ball.

Now, I'm not a Christine-hater like a lot of people in the phandom can be, and though I feel like yelling at her for the unmasking, I really can't blame her for it.

And I'd like to point out just before I start ranting that I find the movie pretty unambiguous about Christine's feelings (which means here, she's in love with Raoul).

Simply, Christine's character development in the course of POTO is the one of a young girl who slowly learns to become an adult and to stand up for herself. Simply, all her freaking life, we see that Christine always had either Meg or Raoul to hold her back. She needs support, that is, since her father's death and since everything just fell apart. Now, she finds herself in a situation where she has to decide of her fate and be the center and the determinator. She's terrified.

Erik/the Phantom comes in, starts singing, and you can clearly see her turning around, recognizing him and closing her eyes intently as if she's saying to herself what the heck is she going to do now. She then plays the game, arranging to get close to Erik as much as she can. Then, while the "All I Ask of You" reprise, you can see her opening her eyes and fixating the ground. She turns to him, and she unmasks him, to show to everyone that he is there, but also, because she has made her choice. And her face after that is pretty much: "Oh gawd, I'm so sorry..." She refuses a life with the Phantom. And to me, she has a jolly good reason to do that, but I won't start ranting on it.

Is it the best thing to do? No. But as I said, I understand why she did it.
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Old 12-02-2014 at 11:54 PM
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Simply, Christine's character development in the course of POTO is the one of a young girl who slowly learns to become an adult and to stand up for herself. Simply, all her freaking life, we see that Christine always had either Meg or Raoul to hold her back. She needs support, that is, since her father's death and since everything just fell apart. Now, she finds herself in a situation where she has to decide of her fate and be the center and the determinator. She's terrified.

Erik/the Phantom comes in, starts singing, and you can clearly see her turning around, recognizing him and closing her eyes intently as if she's saying to herself what the heck is she going to do now. She then plays the game, arranging to get close to Erik as much as she can. Then, while the "All I Ask of You" reprise, you can see her opening her eyes and fixating the ground. She turns to him, and she unmasks him, to show to everyone that he is there, but also, because she has made her choice. And her face after that is pretty much: "Oh gawd, I'm so sorry..." She refuses a life with the Phantom. And to me, she has a jolly good reason to do that, but I won't start ranting on it.
Interesting thought. I was reading the old hidden plot theory regarding the unmasking recently. If you're not familiar with it, the basis is that Erik and the Phantom are two separate entities, Erik being human and the Phantom a demon spirit. According to the theory, the second unmasking is Christine's way of freeing Erik from this Phantom spirit, yada, yada, yada. I don't agree with that interpretation, but it gave me pause for thought.

Wild Concerto, I agree with you that Christine is transitioning from girl to adult in this story. However, I see the second unmasking as a clear message to the Phantom. She's unmasking him to show him that she is no longer falling for his tactics and she's through with his flim flamming. He still ends up taking her, but once he gets her in the lair, it's apparent he can no longer control her.

Things change drastically when Raoul comes onto the scene though.

I wanted to ask you a question to make sure I was clear on something I read in your post. You believe it's very clear that Christine's choice in this is Raoul, right?
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Old 12-03-2014 at 12:42 AM
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I think your explanation for the second unmasking just completed what I said. During POTO, Christine is scared sick of the Phantom and of all his antics, since she's impressed in a creepy sort of way by them. Like a child fascinated by a dark fairytale. And as you said, when she unmasks him, it is like the symbol that the Phantom doesn't scare her anymore.

Erik and the Phantom are indeed two different entities. More especially in the movie, Erik has into the magical world of opera, a fantasy world where he slowly discovered he could escape reality by creating himself a parallel kingdom where he is the king. Within him, he despises Erik, who is the more vulnerable, self-loathing part of himself. He forged the Phantom persona in order to give him a bit more "attitude", if I can express myself like this. He has used this persona against Christine, in order to seduce and have control on her for good. And now, at the very moment he is supposed to succeed according to his plans, hoping that she will be enthranced by his music as she has been before, well, it's then that Christine finally shows that he isn't a little girl anymore.

And again, during the Final Lair, you can't say Christine is a sobbing mess either whining after Raoul. She's standing up to Erik, even ready to throw certain truths in his face.

I don't quite agree in saying that Raoul's arrival messed up everything. Okay, it's not like everything is getting better and stuff, on the contrary, but it brings Christine's inner journey to its apex: in order to save Raoul, she blows up her entire life to stay underground with the Phantom, sealing it all with a kiss, just after a final testimony of her love for Raoul by mouthing to him "I love you". (yes, she does mouth to Raoul "I love you"). That's how Erik understands what true love is: true love is sacrifices, so your beloved can be happy. And he saw that Christine and Raoul did love each other because they were ready to blow their lives for each other. Okay, maybe more when he saw Christine do it than Raoul, of course, but you must tell yourself that if Christine did this, it's because the guy in question must be extremely worthy of it. And Erik would have never let Christine go if he doubted one second that Raoul would be unworthy of her.

That's pretty much the reason why I find it unambiguous that Christine loves Raoul. If no, well, I think it breaks the character development she gets. You may disagree with me, and that's okay, because I know I'm one of the rare people who is a die-hard Raoul/Christine shipper. ;)
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